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This Lineage Last Reviewed
and Updated June 2021
George Shirley - farmer
(named as father in marriage documents of son Robert) Nothing
more known
married ______________
children:
1(i). Robert Shirley born say 1831;
He was identified in his 1851 marriage document as a mariner;
full age, bachelor, residence: Denison Street, son of George
Shirley, farmer. Robert seems to have died between 1858 and 1861,
but not listed as 'deceased' in son Robert Shirley's marriage
record . He is possibly the Robert Shirley (age and place of
birth blank) who died at sea of chronic dysentery on 12 July
1861. Pers (possibly purser?) "Le Na 56 Ry" The
death logged: London P. 9.11.1861 Maria Somes, London,
William Moylan, master (Note: in the 1840s this ship transported
convicts to Australia, not sure about later voyages) Nothing
more known.
married Anne Kelly on 14 January 1851 in St. Nicholas Parish, Liverpool, Lancashire,
full age, spinster, residence Saltney Street, daughter of Peter
Kelly, farmer. The witnesses at the time of marriage were Ralph
Evans and Mary Ann Donovan; Ann Shirley is found in 1861 census
in Liverpool living with mother Bridget Kelly. Widow with 2 children
named. Not found in 1871 census (remarried?)
children: Catholic family
2(i). George (Robert) Shirley born 18 April 1852 (named
Robert in census records) at Liverpool, age 7 in grandmother
Bridget Kelly's 1861 census household; The Confirmation Register
of St Augustine Catholic Church in Liverpool, dated 8 March 1865,
Robertus Sherley, age 11 1/2, Sponsor: Guilielemus Ryan; He was
age 18 in uncle Andrew White's 1871 census household; He married
Elizabeth Elder in 1872, he was of minor age, bachelor, occupation
Carter, residence Ivy Street, son of Robert Shirley, mariner,
(thus father Robert was not deceased?) He was married and enumerated
in Liverpool in 1891 census, age 39, occupation carter. He was
buried in the Ford Catholic Cemetery in Liverpool on 23 September
1900, his residence at death was identified as #36 Sumner Street,
age 39 (sic?)
Ancestor of DNA participant #44023
married Elizabeth Elder on 15 December 1872 at The
Parish Church (St Nicholas), Liverpool; At the time of marriage,
Elizabeth was of minor age, daughter of William Elder of Ivy
Street Liverpool (witness Michael Carney and Georgina Carney);
She was age 25 in 1881 census, born Liverpool; She was widowed
and enumerated in St James the Less parish of Liverpool Lancashire
in 1901 census, with daughter in law Ann Flaherty Shirley and
her children; She was enumerated in Liverpool in 1911 census,
age 53
children: Catholic family
3(i). Elizabeth Ann Shirley born 22 June 1873 Liverpool;
baptised 20 July 1873 at Our Lady of Reconcilliation de la Salette
dau of Robert and Elizabeth Shirley (nee Elder)
3(ii). Robert Shirley born 10 July 1874 Liverpool;
baptised 25 July 1874 at Our Lady Reconcilliation de la Salette
son of Rober and Elizabeth Shirley (nee Elder)
3(iii). Mary Elizabeth Shirley born 4 May 1876 Liverpool;
baptised 7 May 1876 at St Sylvester RC Church dau of Robert and
Elizabeth Shirley (nee Elder), age 5 in 1881 census, age 15 in
1891 census; Not found in widowed mother's 1901 census household
3(iv). John Shirley born 28 September 1879 at Liverpool;
baptised 15 October 1879 at St Sylvester RC Church son of Robert
and Elizabeth Sherley (nee Elder); Sponsor: Maria Faris; age
1 in 1881 census, age 12 in 1891 census; Not enumerated with
wife and children in widowed mother's 1901 census household,
nor in 1911 census; He died 28 August 1948, buried Ford Cemetery
(Catholic) in Liverpool; The parish church of this family was
St Sylvester Roman Catholic, Liverpool
Descendant: "He was in the Boer War and then he was
injured in WW1 at Passchedaele with the Kings Regiment, which
left him ‘crippled’ and he walked with a limp. He then
went on to have a very successful coal business in Calvin Street,
Liverpool that he passed down to his Son Bernard when he died
in 1948. He also left his wife Ann with £1131 (and some
shillings and pence)."
John Shirley in WWI uniform
married Ann Flaherty on 1 May 1899 at St Sylvester
Roman Catholic Church, Liverpool; She was the daughter of Thomas
Flaherty and Winifred Grady; living with mother-in-law
Elizabeth Shirley in 1901 census; Living with mother-in-law in
1911 census, age 29, "married"
children: Catholic family
4(i). Elizabeth Shirley born 25 June 1899 at Liverpool;
baptised 29 June 1899 at St Sylvester RC Church dau of John and
Ann Shirley, age 1 in 1901 census, age 11 in mother's 1911 census
household; She married William Bell on 20 April 1919 at St Sylvester
Roman Catholic Church
4(ii). Robert Shirley born 16 September 1900 at Liverpool;
baptised 20 September 1900 at St Sylvester RC Church son of John
and Ann Shirley, age 6/12 in 1901 census; He died 15 June 1903,
age 2, died young
4(iii). John Shirley born 10 May 1902 at Liverpool;
baptised 14 May 1902 at St Sylvester RC Church, son of John
and Ann Shirley; not enumerated in grandmother's 1911 census
household; Likely died young
4(iv). Winifred Shirley born 26 April 1904 Liverpool;
baptised 5 May 1904 at St Sylvester RC Church dau of John and
Ann Shirley, age 6 in 1911 census; She married Edward Hatton
on 8 October 1926 at St Sylvester Roman Catholic Church Liverpool
4(v). Mary Shirley born 29 October 1905 Liverpool;
baptised 7 November 1905 at St Sylvester RC Church dau of John
and Ann Shirley, age 5 in 1911 census; She married James Brannigan
on 5 May 1928 at St Sylvester Roman Catholic Church in Liverpool
4(vi). Annie Shirley born 9 November 1908 Liverpool,
age 2 in 1911 census; She married John Church
4(vii). Bridget Shirley born 16 February 1912 Liverpool
4(viii). Catherine Shirley born 5 May 1915 Liverpool
4(ix). Joseph Shirley born 14 October 1918 Liverpool
4(x). John Shirley born 10 May 1921 Liverpool
4(xi). Bernard Shirley born 18 November 1922 Liverpool
Bernard Shirley (Left) and the Shirley Co coal truck
4(xii). Teresa Shirley born 23 February 1926 Liverpool
3(v). Elizabeth Shirley born 22 March 1881 Liverpool;
baptised 11 April 1881 at St Sylvester RC Church, dau of Robert
and Elizabeth Shirley (nee Elder), age 1 mo. in 1881 census,
age 9 in 1891 census, not found in widowed mother's 1901 census
household
3(vi). Ann Shirley born 25 May 1886 at Liverpool; baptised
9 June 1886 at St Anthony's RC Church Liverpool dau of Robert
and Elizabeth Shirley, age 5 in 1891 census, age 14 in widowed
mother's 1901 census household not found in widowed mother's
1911 census household
3(vii). James Shirley born 5 August 1888 at Liverpool;
baptised 21 August 1888 at St Sylvester RC Church, son of Robert
and Elizabeth Shirley, age 3 in 1891 census, age 13 in widowed
mother's 1901 census household, residence 36 Summer Street; not
found in widowed mother's 1911 census household; He married
in 1909, son of Robert Shirley, residence 36 Summer Street. He
was a merchant marine, with decades of ship manifest records
detailing his work. He was among the crew when his son Patrick
Joseph Shirley, a donkeyman on the same ship, won the B.E.M.
medal for bravery during WWII
married Anna Mehan on 9 August 1908 at St Silvester
Catholic Church, Liverpool Lancashire; She was daughter of John
Mehan of 4 Slade St; Wit: Jacob and Anna Daly
3(viii). Maria Helena Shirley born 16 March 1893 Liverpool;
baptised 3 April 1893 at St Anthony's RC Church dau of Robert
and Elizabeth Shirley (nee Elder)
3(ix). Joseph Shirley born about 1896 Liverpool, age
5 in widowed mother's 1901 census household; Enumerated with
mother in 1911 census, age 15, occupation: ship scaler
2(ii). John Shirley born 13 December 1856 Liverpool;
baptised 28 December 1856 at St Augustine RC Church, son of Robert
and Ann Shirley (nee Kelly); Sponsors: John Shiels, Ellen Ronan,
age 3 (sic) in grandmother Bridget Kelly's 1861 census household,
age 13 in uncle Andrew White's 1871 census household nothing
more known after 1871
1861 Liverpool Lancashire Census - Scotland Civil District
1 Princes Walk
Bridget Kelley age 80 b Ireland Needlewoman
Bridget Byrnes age 28 b Ireland dau
Ann Shirley age 30 b Ireland dau
Robert Shirley age 7 b Liverpool grandson
John Shirley age 3 b Liverpool grandson
Joseph Rymer age 5 b Liverpool grandson
1871 Liverpool Lancashire Census - Scotland Civil District
29 Sherwood Street
Andrew White age 45 b Ireland Laborer at Dock
Sarah White age 45 b Ireland
Sarah White age 12 b. Liverpool daughter
Andrew White age 9 b Liverpool son; scholar
Robert Shearley age 18 b Liverpool nephew; carter
John Shearley age 13 b Liverpool nephew
1881 Liverpool Lancashire Census - Scotland Civil District
2 Ivy Terrace
Robert Shurley age 28 b Liverpool; carter
Elizabeth Shurley age 25 b Liverpool
Mary Shurley age 5 b Liverpool
John Shurley age 1 b Liverpool
Elizabeth Shurley age 1 mo. b Liverpool
James Leigh age 50 boarder b Liverpool
1891 Liverpool Lancashire Census - Scotland Civil District
16 Ascot Street
Robert Sherley age 39 b Liverpool carter
Elizabeth Sherley age 35 b Liverpool
Mary Sherley age 15 scholar b Liverpool
John Sherley age 12 scholar b Liverpool
Elizabeth Sherley age 9 scholar b Liverpool
Ann Sherley age 5 b Liverpool
James Sherley age 3 b Liverpool
Looking for this family in 1851 Census
Robert and Ann Shirley not found
Is this the Mother's household in 1851?
82 Grosvenor Street (All Saints Parish) Liverpool
(note: the info is marked through and names switched in the enumeration,
therefore the relations are more likely children of Bridget Kelly,
not sister or brother)
Bridget Kelly age 69 b Ireland hardware dealer
Honowo? Kelly age 45 sister
Mary Kelly age 36 sister
John kelly age 28 brother
Bridget Kelly age 18 niece
Sarah Kelly age 16 niece
Michael Kelly age 8 nephew
(next door to Michael Raymer/Rayner- see above)
Email
Hello Betty Thanks for your email,we shall see what happens
with the other
13 markers,its getting interesting.With regards to Robert Shirley
who married Ann kelly
ihave found her on the1861 census living at 1 Princes Walk Liverpool
with
her mother and 2 children and she is a widow.The 2 childrens
names are
Robert[ who was actually christened George ,Ihave his birth certificate
18
04 1852] the other child is John aged 3.The spelling was given
as Sherley.
I shall now try to find out when he died. Bye for now.
- Tony
August 10 2007
Hi Betty, Sorry for the delay in responding! I don't use
the e-mail account you sent to much these days and I only had
occasion to check it just now. As far as the research goes, well...
it doesn't go unfortunately. Myself and my relation Tony Shirley,
also from Liverpool and who I believe you've also been in contact
with, have been meeting quite reguarly to try and work on it,
with no result. Basically we're still stuck at the Robert Shirley
m. Anne Kelly in 1851 in Liverpool. His father is listed as George
Shirley, a farmer. Where he was a farmer is the thing. We've
been unable to find them anywhere on the 1851 census so we don't
know whereabouts he's from. And by 1861 Anne Shirley (Kelly)
is listed as a widow. In the intervening 10 years there is simply
no death certificate for him. Nor in the death's at sea register's
(he's listed as a mariner on his marriage certificate). We've
tried so many endless lines of inquiry, the merchant navy records
don't even have any record of any such man ever being a sailor.
It's rather dispiriting to hit a brickwall only so recently in
the past. We just need something with his place of birth on it.
What's so frustating is to have all the positive DNA matches
with the American brances #19 and #62. Obviously our ancestor
is a relation to the Walter Shirley who went to America and founded
those branches. What we're really hoping for at this point is
a DNA match with someone else in Britain, so we can have some
clue as to where our branch is from, before Robert Shirley decided
to come to Liverpool. Obviously all the parish records we need
to trace back to Walter Shirley are there, but in what parish!
Plus I've just very recently moved to Massachusetts so I'm out
of touch with all the primary records back home. So that's the
news really, no news. Hopefully something will turn up one of
these days.
- Andrew
August 11 2007
Hi Betty, I'm sorry! I didn't realise anyone was going
to be looking into this, I could have sent all this info to save
the effort. I've also got loads and loads of baptism and marriage
entries from the Catholic parish registers to back it all up.
The main problem is finding them on the 1851 census, not trusting
the ancestry.com search engine very much I took the address off
their marriage certificate (only given as a street, no house
number) and searched all the census returns at Liverpool Record
Office. Which are much easier to search by street than ancestry,
but no luck. And since the census was taken only two months after
they were married I thought they may well have been there. Anyway,
everything on your e-mail is accurate. This is the 1901 census
for the main branch you were following if it's of any use:
-1901 Census
36 Summer Street; CP: Liverpool; EP: St. James the Less; Ward:
North Scotland
Elizabeth Shirley - Head - 44 - Widowed - Liverpool, Lancashire
- Fish Hawker - Own Account
Ann Shirley - Daughter-in-law - 19 - Married - Liverpool, Lancashire
Elizabeth Shirley - Granddaughter - 1 - Single - Liverpool, Lancashire
Robert Shirley - Grandson - 6 months - Single - Liverpool, Lancashire
Ann Shirley - Daughter - 14 - Single - Liverpool, Lancashire
James Shirley - Son - 13 - Single - Liverpool, Lancashire
Joseph Shirley - Son - 5 - Single - Liverpool, Lancashire
Thomas Whitelaw - Boarder - 69 - Married - Scotland - Pensioner
Elizabeth Whitlelaw - Wife - 61 - Married - Ireland
Jane Todd - Servant - 19 - Single - Liverpool, Lancashire
Oh, something else, when your assistant says "Anyway,
my new find for the 1871 census gives us an "uncle"
named Andrew White. Either he's mother Ann Kelly's sister's husband
(maternal uncle to the 2 kids), or he's father Robert Shirley's
brother in law (paternal uncle to the 2 kids)." It's definitely
Ann Kelly's sister's husband. Here's their marriage info:
-Marriage Register
Our Lady and St. Nicholas, Liverpool
When Married: January 2nd, 1854
Name: Andrew White - Sarah Kelly
Age: Full - Full
Condition: Bachelor - Spinster
Rank or Profession: Mariner
Residence at time of Marriage: Saltney St. - Saltney St.
Father's Name: Andrew White - Peter Kelly
Rank or Profession of Father: Shipwright - Farmer
In the presence of: John Ledger, Elizabeth Sullivan
Interestingly they put the same address (Saltney Street)
as Robert Shirley and Anne Kelly on theirs three years earlier.
Which makes why I can't find them in 1851 all the more annoying.
We've definitely tried every variation of Shirley possible. Me
and Tony have been at this for so many years. When you get back
so many centuries on other branches of your family but can't
get anywhere on the Shirley's (which all things considered I'm
the most interested in) it's very frustrating. I really, really,
really hope you can come up with something new, but like I say
me and Tony (we're both from Liverpool, he's my mother's first
cousin) have been banging our heard against this particular wall
for ages. Sigh... :-( Oh yeah, this is the marriage info for
Robert Shirley and Anne Kelly, which is basically all we have
to go on, thanks again for all your help, I so wish I could trace
the line back to Walter Shirley who goes to America, take care,
- Andrew.
May 2020
I’m a descendent of Robert Shirley (and Ann Kelly)
from Liverpool - the guy who nobody has any idea how, when, or
where he died between 1851 and 1861! There’s conspiracy
on Ancestry.com about him dying at sea on 12th July 1861 from
Chronic Dystrophy (I’ll attach a picture "UK Register
of Deaths at Sea") but that record doesn’t show where
this ‘Robert Shirley’ was from, so I’m unsure
whether it’s enough evidence to support OUR Robert Shirleys
death.
- Tasha
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Shirleys of St Nicholas Liverpool